Guns in Deceive Inc

Author’s Note: This was part of my writeup on Deceive Inc. Partway through, I realized that a 7 paragraph diatribe about gun balance and the current meta might not be the most relevant for deciding if you want to buy Deceive Inc. That said, I still think this post does make an accurate observation about why Deceive Inc plays the way it does.

Deceive Inc sells itself as a stealth game, but after playing a few rounds, it becomes clear that isn’t entirely true. The dominant strategy used by very high level (300, the level cap) players is much more based around fast movement, while ignoring the stealth aspects of the game to a certain extent.

I think this happens because the guns fairly high time-to-kill. Across the characters I’ve played, and had my friends play, here’s a short list with some approximate damage values:

WeaponBody ShotHeadshot
Sniper Rifle3575 (Charged)
Shotgun4550 (ADS)
Pistol10-1520

For reference, a player starts out at 100 health, and some in game upgrades can push them up to 115 health at max.

But the important part here is that there is no way to one-shot kill a full health player. Which I think I think makes sense when you game out a bunch of other factors:

Since Deceive Inc is a battle royale, there is no respawning. You have to play carefully offensively, and defensively. Players want to blend in, and they want to be paranoid of anyone who sticks out. In addition, it’s a fairly small player count battle royale, withonly up to 12-16 players in a match.

So if weapons could one-shot, be it a shotgun at close range, or a sniper headshot, the dominant strategy I think becomes something like “Engage anyone suspicious, and try to one tap them.” If the player is correct, and did spot a disguised human, they instantly win the combat, can disengage, and have permanently removed a threat from the game with very little risk to themself.

If they’re wrong, they’ve made themself a target for anyone else nearby to get one-tapped, and also wasted ammo. But because of the risk of being spotted, I still think the right choice is to blast first, ask questions later. And this encourages a super passive playstyle of taking the minimal number of risks at all points in time, to avoid being found and nuked down.

But weapons don’t one shot. So even if you spot someone else out first, and engage them first with a surprise shot, it’s still very possible for the player who is stronger with the gunplay mechanics to turn and kill you.

This is why I can only recommend Deceive Inc to people who like first person shooters. Playing well against other humans requires winning gunfights. And winning gunfights requires strong FPS skill mechanics. Even though most of the game is spent engaging with the stealth mechanics and trying to avoid trouble, without gunplay skills, you just can’t win.

The Frustrating Intersection of Live Service and Narrative Progression

I don’t like putting direct statements on this blog. First of all, they can be traced back to me, and second of all, big bold statements have a way of being wrong. Saying something “can’t be done” is the sort of thing some fans view as a challenge, and saying something can’t be done in video games is really just begging for it.

But I really wanted to open this rant with “Live service games and narrative progression are fundamentally incompatible.” I’m not going to. Instead, I’m going to say that I think “Live service games and meaningful narrative progression are two things no one has managed to combine yet.” And I’m going to spend the rest of this rant talking about that.

Also, all the games I’m going to be using as examples? I like all these games. I have played a ton of them. I wish the thing I’m about to rant about didn’t get in the way of me liking them more.

(One of the many) Problems with Live Service Games

Usually when I rant about games designed as live service (that is to say a continually updated game), I tend to ranting about their monetization and progression systems. This is because an “always online” live game needs to generate revenue, and provide players things to work towards. Those two needs tend to lead to design decisions that don’t prioritize fun.

Today I’m going to ignore that, and talk about something else. Let’s define a few terms for the purpose of identifying my frustration. Here’s how I’m defining these terms for this writeup.

Live Service: Any game designed to be played repeatedly without narrative end. These games are often played in individual matches or games, with progression and interaction systems designed to turn the game into long form play experience. MMOs would be a classic example of this, but as I’m not into that genre, I’m going to be using Hunt: Showdown, Dead by Daylight, and Inkbound for my examples.

Narrative: The elements that make up the “reason for being” for the state of the game. They can be flavor, they can inform mechanics, they can be inconsequential, but they are still present. When I say narrative, I mean everything that forms the explanation for the game’s in-universe existence.

Progression: The advancement of the plot or the story toward a conclusion or resolution. I’m going to use the idea of Hero with A Thousand Faces, because it’s popular, well known, and I’m not a English major so I don’t have a better structure to model my issues.

Terminology Defined, Let’s Get Ranting

Live service is, to put it bluntly, designed to make a great big pile of money forever. It’s cheaper to make a single game and sell it over and over, than it is to make a new one. The most charitable analogy I can make is that it’s like a sports field, or a perhaps a playground. It is, in theory, a fun space to exist within, where a set of skills can be practiced and honed. But—critically—it does not have an ending.

You don’t beat a playground. You don’t “Win” all of soccer. And that’s fine. Lack of narrative structure and lack of payout is not the thing that annoys me here. I have never once played a game of Rocket League, and found myself wondering about the universe of Rocket League, its lore, and how they get those rockets on the cars.

But that’s because Rocket League has never tried to sell itself on some greater narrative to set up the context of the game. Neither did games like Quantum League, Split Gate, or multiplayer Halo.

But some games do have a much heavier narrative and story.

Example 1. Dead by Daylight

Unlike Rocket League, Dead by Daylight does have a “story.” Or at least it has “lore.” A mysterious being called the Entity pulls murderers and randos into an infinite regenerating set of trials in order to feed on their suffering. Each of the playable characters has a (tragic) backstory, and each of the killers has a (tragic) backstory. Over time, more and more information about the Entity’s realm has been added, more information about the killers and their crimes have been revealed, and more characters have been added. We’re left to wonder about the nature of the Entity, and if the survivors ever will truly escape.

Spoiler alert: No. No, they won’t. Because Dead by Daylight is going to run until one of two things happen.

  1. The heat death of the universe.
  2. It stops making enough money to be worth running.

Probably the second one. And when that happens, the game will be shut down, probably with a sort of last slow signoff.

Dead by Daylight will never do an update where the survivors turn and defeat the killers once and for all. There will be no meaningful plot explanation. The purpose of Dead by Daylight’s lore is support the gameplay, and purpose of the gameplay is to sell copies of the game and microtransaction skins. And because the gameplay succeeds at doing that, it will never change in a meaningful way.

In the case of Dead By Daylight, I find this moderately frustrating. I can observe all of the interesting story and lore, and know that it is ultimately pointless and will never have a meaningful payout.

Example 2. Hunt: Showdown

Hunt: Showdown uses a remarkably similar structure for its setup and lore. A mysterious entity is re-animating corpses and creatures in the Louisiana Bayou. Players take the role of hunters, competing to execute the more threatening of these supernatural creatures, and escape with the proof of their defeat, all in exchange for a big payout.

Again we see the same structures. In-world justification for why the monsters keep reforming. An elaborate and hinted at backstory for each character and creature. “Story” events that are used to introduce new characters and temporary mechanics.

And again I have to ask myself the same question every time I want to engage with this lore: when will the Bayou be purged of zombies? When will the characters experience consequences for their behavior?

Answer: Never! Not gonna happen. Because Hunt won’t run without the hunting. The loop will continue until the servers shut down.

Both of the examples so far annoy me, but they don’t actively hurt my enjoyment of the game itself. Instead, they just make me less willing to engage with something I would otherwise enjoy: the lore and worldbuilding. I know that the mysteries will never be fully solved, so any effort I spend to engage with it will never pay off.

The third example is a bit different.

Example 3. Inkbound

I haven’t done a writeup on Inkbound yet, despite having played 30 hours of it. So yeah, I like Inkbound. I really like Inkbound.

In those 30 hours of Inkbound, I have killed and seen every single enemy or challenge that exists in the game. This is fine, because Inkbound spices it up by providing a truly ridiculous number of unlockables, quests, and challenges.

And it’s those quests that are starting to frustrate me. The game implies that part of the reward of the quests is learning more lore about the world, how it got to the state it’s in, and how it will get out.

Except, again, because this is an unfinished live service game, I am incredibly skeptical that I’m ever going to see that payoff. Instead, everything is starting to feel like I’m being run around for no particular reason, with no real payoff at the end. I’m starting to get annoyed that all of the information I collect may not ultimately serve any real purpose in the greater structure of the game’s narrative.

What makes Inkbound different from the above two is that the implied story progression isn’t a meta-narrative. In theory, it is the actual story that I as a player am contributing to, and progressing. But as a somewhat savvy player, I am beginning to feel that it’s unending busywork designed to fit the structure of the live service game.

Also, before someone says “Well, it’s a roguelike, they can’t have a meaningful and compelling story because the nature of the game requires a constant reset of progress, and looping structure,” I would like to gesture Hades. So I’m pretty confident roguelikes can have a strong narrative.

Conclusions and Takeaway

Having written all this down, I think I might actually have two different sets of problems. One is the frustration of eternally incomplete lore.

The best example of that might be Team Fortress 2 or Overwatch. Games where gameplay doesn’t advance or impact plot or story in the slightest, but they still have worlds I find simultaneously fascinating and recognize as utterly subservient to a structure of perpetual revenue that will never offer the conclusion I might want.

The lore and tone for these games is eternally captivating and enthralling. But it’s like being hooked by an endless fishing line. There will always be more mysteries, more questions, more information, right up until there isn’t, and the game shuts down.

My second problem is that of pointless lore progression as a reward. I didn’t care that Inkbound’s story wasn’t progressing until I was told that I could progress it. That I could make a difference. That I could defeat villains and advance the plot. I didn’t care that I couldn’t slay the spire until I was given that sisyphian task.

I resent being told that I should take a world and story seriously, that I should care at all about what happens, when the creators clearly don’t have any intention of doing so.

Finally

I’m not saying all live service games do this. I’m not saying that doing this sort of thing is some inherent failure of a game. But after seeing it across a large number of games over the years, it makes me wary of caring or investing myself in the start of a story that might not ever be planned to have an end.

The Diablo 4 Rant

I remember a time when Penny Arcade had interesting hot takes. Or maybe good hot takes. Jerry Holkins will always be a better writer than me, but I think I might be able to make some points better than him, so let me scream a few things into the void.

Let’s not bury the lede: If you buy Diablo, you’re enabling a bloated corpse of a company helmed by an incredible asshole to keep making money doing all the shit that seems to be ruining this industry.

Look, I’m not a cartoonist, okay?

First, Holkins implies “Nothing can harm Bobby.” This is an interesting take, and is like saying “The Ancient Old One is ever living and undying.” Maybe that’s true! Maybe it’s just what his priests say to keep people from trying to oust him. I think it’s more likely that he’ll be invulnerable until he isn’t. Also, the idea that we’ll be rid of him when the merger goes through seems a bit unlikely. Or at a bare minimum, it’ll be a while.

Next Holkinds says that Diablo 4 is good. Which is like. Sure. Yes. I think we all knew that. I think their $666 MILLION in sales in the last two weeks might be an indicator of something.

But this isn’t fucking insulin. It’s not food. This is a luxury product. It is literally the easiest thing to opt out of engaging with. I’d get why people might have a hard time not buying it if it was Soylent Green, but that’s not what we’re dealing with here. This is a video game.

Finally, there’s this idea that not buying the game is somehow punishing people who worked on it, which is, frankly, fucking fascinating. There’s something called a salary, and it’s what you get paid when you do work. I think most of the people who actually made Diablo 4 got their money.

They’re not the ones who are going to be enriched by the cash shop, battlepass, or extra premium editions. When it’s time to pay out corporate bonuses, the lion’s share of that money will be going into the pockets of an enormous jerk.

Here’s the reality of it: a lot of people want to play Diablo 4 because it’s a fun game, and because they have nostalgia for the franchise. It’s also a game made by a company with a culture of harassment, abuse, and union busting. You’re allowed to decide you don’t care all that much.

But don’t fucking act like buying Diablo somehow helps out those poor souls who made it. Don’t act like there was no other option.

I have 5000 hours of PoE. I loved Diablo 3. I’m not touching D4. You want to play Diablo because it’ll be fun, and you don’t really give a shit about all the awful shit, and how miserable Blizzard is?

Fine. Don’t pretend it’s something else though.

Treasure And Truth – A Dota 2 Mod

Diablo 4 is out! So long as you’re willing to pay $20 plus the $70 price tag to Blizzard. Blizzard, a company that’s been notable for an unending parade of scandals related to sexual assault and employee mistreatment.

Unfun Fact! Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick threatened over voicemail to kill his personal assistant! But don’t worry, it was settled out of court. I’m sure it was a fair and reasonable settlement, as there’s never been a power imbalance between an employee and their multi-millionaire boss.

Any, where was I? Oh, yes. You could buy Diablo 4, a game that despite costing $70 on release already has a cash shop, and season battle pass.

Or instead of supporting the shambling corpse of a once-loved company whose external face might have always been a lie, you could join me in Treasure and Truth.

Treasure and Truth is a mod for Dota 2. Like Diablo 4, it’s an ARPG, and unfortunately also like Diablo 4, it also has a cash shop, but I’ll get to that part in a bit. Unlike Diablo 4, it’s free!

This is a mod.

Also, I’m going to say some rude things about Treasure and Truth in this review, but I am 100% using the game as Diablo withdrawal methadone at the moment. Ultimately, I do recommend playing. If nothing else, it’s an incredible demonstration of both the potential, and some of the drawbacks of a Dota 2 mod.

Core Gameplay

Treasure and Truth is an action role playing game, which is to say it has no roleplaying, and some action. And since it’s a mod for Dota 2, the standard Dota 2 mechanics and controls mostly apply. It’s top down and semi-isometric.

It’s also Chinese. This is relevant for a number of reasons, but most importantly because of the translation. Or lack of thereof.

I’m not sure what “White Character” means here. I’m almost positive it’s not a buff that only applies if you’re Caucasian.

The game is translated into English, but not all of it, and not always correctly. Some parts are fully translated and make sense. Some parts are translated but not localized. And as a result you end up fighting “Pliers of the Hole,” which is probably supposed to be something like “Jaws of the Abyss.”

Not exactly the most intimidating enemy.

And sometimes, it’s very important when it turns out that #wings2_start_system is supposed to be text telling you how to unlock an entire alternate end-game power system for heavily scaling certain stats.

But anyway: on to core gameplay! There are kinda three modes in Treasure and Truth, but two are the same, so we’re going to cover them as one thing.

The two modes are story and key mode. All this really boils down to is that you go into a big non-changing map, kill monsters until a boss portal opens up, and kill that boss. Rinse and repeat three times, and you’ve cleared the level.

In story mode, enemies give you loot. In the key mode, there’s a timer, and the quality and amount of loot scales with how fast you can finish. There are five base levels, and in classic ARPG style, once you finish a set of them, you unlock the next difficulty.

The other mode is raids.

Raids are a test of your patience, and your ability to find 2-4 other human beings who are capable of understanding concepts like what a circle is, and that sometimes in order to win, you need to stop doing damage for a bit.

Sarcasm and my sanity aside, raids are the most interesting mode, as they actively require paying attention, and knowing certain mechanics. They are also kind of janky, and unlike the other modes, don’t scale stats with player count, so you really need other people to work with.

Heart of the Game

At its core, Treasure and Truth is a gear chase game about making number go up. There are a bunch of systems for doing this, but they all contribute to the same end result. Collecting sets of gear will activate passives, that make numbers go up. Upgrading and collecting pets will make your numbers go up. Clearing the raid will drop unique gear, which as long as another party member who isn’t even of the right class doesn’t fucking “need” it, will make numbers go up.

Look at these numbers.

And collecting the artifacts from the Gacha will make numbers go up. So let’s go back to that monetization for a moment.

Money, Money, Money*

Treasure and Truth has a cash shop. It also has a set of resource systems that I’ll save a lot time by summarizing, “You can’t directly pay to win, but you can buy upgrade materials and items that you would otherwise have to farm, in order to skip grinding.” In addition, you can also buy certain in-game market currency with a system that works the same way as a WoW token.

There are also paid supporter roles that grant in-game buffs, a Gacha for rolling artifacts, and yes, and a paid Battlepass.

You might be wondering why I’m giving Treasure and Truth less shit for this when I opened by ripping Diablo 4 for doing it. Well, for starters, Treasure and Truth isn’t $70.

I might have a bit of a double standard here, but implementing an entire cash shop is something I find impressive when done as part of a mod, and scummy when done as part of full priced retail game. The shitty monetization also isn’t relevant until late game, which I’d imagine most people might not even reach.

In Conclusion

If nothing else, I find Treasure and Truth fascinating as a project. It feels incredibly high effort for a mod on top of someone else’s game, and it’s also incredibly amusing to me as a sort of proto-MMO. As an example of this, one of the current raids has an entire set of mechanics that the community has discovered a way to skip, and this hasn’t been patched.

It’s not a lifestyle game, or even something I can see playing long term, but it’s what I wanted in terms of something I can just turn off my brain and play. And I have had some really entertaining experiences guiding people through raids, and talking with other players trying to understand how the hell certain systems work because they’re not translated properly.

Oh, and writing a set of AHK macros to farm points in the AFK mode.

If you want to play Truth and Treasure, you’ll have to start by downloading Dota 2, then you’ll want to go install this mod from the community.

Ultimately what I’ve really gotten out of Truth and Treasure is a sense of wonder and discovery that I enjoy. There are no guides to the raids. There aren’t any perfect builds. There is no checklist, or speed run of someone who got the game 4 days early reaching level cap before people who pre-ordered could play it.

There is a poorly moderated Discord, untranslated patch notes, and esoteric systems that make no sense, and occasionally might break. And frankly, I love that sort of shit.

Also, the cash shop. Which I don’t love.

Postscript Ramblings

I’ve seen a bunch of discussions on Reddit about pay-to-win MMOs are more common in Korea and China due to cultural differences. There does seem to be a pattern of pay-to-win in games that get ported from those regions. Lost Ark, Black Desert, and MapleStory are all great examples of this. But my only source for this is people saying shit on Reddit, so it’s entirely possible this is just some gamer orientalism. If it is true, Treasure and Truth definitely falls into this pattern with its monetization tactics.

Also, while we’re on the subject of crackpot theories involving China, I really wonder if Treasure and Truth was developed as a mod (as opposed to a standalone game) in order to get around the video game licensing/distribution/censorship issues in China. After all, if you can’t release your own game, co-opting someone else’s game into providing your infrastructure and underlying matchmaking and everything is really clever, and might explain why Treasure and Truth exists as a mod in the first place.

Limbus Company: Corrections

A few weeks ago I did a writeup on Limbus Company. You can read it here.

After playing more, I’ve realized there are a few factual things I got wrong in my writeup, and also a few more things I wanted to talk about. So I’ve decided to put those here.

Some Corrections

I had complained about Limbus Company’s energy system, Enkephalin. I thought that if I lost while playing, and had spent energy or modules to attempt a level, I would just lose that energy.

As it turns out, in many cases, the whole amount of energy is refunded if you lose. And in others, even though there is some loss of energy, it’s 5%. So if you spend 20 energy to enter a stage and lose, you get 19 back.

I still don’t like energy systems in games. Energy systems are in my mind, a gaming dark pattern. But Limbus Company’s energy system isn’t as bad as I thought in my initial writeup.

Glorified slot machines, and some other F2P bullshit

I never really mentioned that Limbus Company does have a Gacha system. In abstract, it’s very similar to most Gacha systems. You spend premium currency, which you can buy with real money, or earn small amounts of per day. In exchange, you get random characters.

Mechanically, though, it’s actually somewhat unusual. For starters, the game starts the players with 13 characters, and each extra “character” you get is just an alternate personality for one of those 13. There haven’t been any times when I’ve gone, “Wow, I need a character who can do X, I guess I need to spend the Gacha.”

The game also has a system for upgrading characters that boils down to: the default free characters get stronger easier, while premium characters are resource sinks.

Again, I don’t like Gacha systems. But there was never a point playing Limbus Company that made me think “I could beat this if I just spent money.” It’s a better system. Admittedly, it’s better in the same way that being stung by one wasp is better than being stung by five.

Going back to actual gameplay: Limbus Company does have a solid combat system, but it’s incredibly poorly explained and displayed, and the more I play, the more convinced I am that the tutorial was some sort of joke.

So yeah, Limbus Company. An interesting F2P game with generally reasonable systems by F2P standards, and absolutely stunning lack of meaningful tutorials.